John Howard  (I265)
Name:
John Howard

Gender: Male Male
      

Birth: 1833 Moston Lancashire
Death: before 1891

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Birth 1833 Moston Lancashire

Death before 1891 (Age 57-58)

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In 1851 John Howard is a labourerin Sutton st Helens

1851 England Census
about John Howard
Name: John Howard
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Moston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:copper works ?

Occupation:labourer

Condition as to marriage:


Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens ED2c

Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Emmah Howard 11 visitor b.1840 Moston is she johns sister
John Howard 18
Alexander Parr 10
Elizabeth Parr 14
George Parr 43
Isabella Parr 45
James Parr 16
Joan Parr 5
John Parr 8
Thomas Parr 12
John Taylor 27


1861 England Census
about John Howard
Name: John Howard
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Mostyn, Lancashire, England ( should read moston )

Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:dutch Hillocks

Occupation:Bricklayer

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 223
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Grant 35 lodger from harpurhey
Edmund Howard 3 Mo b.sutton
Elizabeth Howard 24 b. sutton
John Howard 28
John Howard 7 b.sutton
William Howard 3 b.sutton


What happens between 1861 and 1871?

I am convinced that the john howards are the same. Why does he chnage wives and what happens to his family

why does anne Howard say she is a widow when he is living as a lodger back in Manchester where she turns up in 1881?


john Howard 18 ( the son ) is found in the 1871 census living with a tailor Isaac Thompson in Sutton , Dutch Hillock - He is a bricklayer

John Howard listed as a slater, unmarried born in st helens is living in lodgings at 51 cHarles street Elton Bury in the 1881 census ( with other bricklayers)

no other st helens born john howards appear in 1891 or 1901 census

william howard b. 1858 is found as a labourer ( aged 13 ) living with his grandparents ( john and Mary Griffeth ) in Fisher Street Sutton in the 1871 census also a grandaighter margaret Jane Howard b. 1867 in sutton.

Margaret jane is found in 1881 census living with John & mary Griffith ( 69 years old ) using the surname griffith aged 14

No sign of an edmund howard b.1861 in any other census




in 1871 Census Ann Howard is living in lodgings in Liverpool , listed as a widow but with her 2 sons of similar age and names both born in Liverpool
surely this is too much of a coincidence , that a woman with thsi name born in staffs with 2 sons with unusual names would not bge the same as the 1881 census.

1871 Census shows John Howard a bricklayer born 1833 Moston as the following :

a 38 year old Bricklayer ( b 1833 ) from Moston ) no condition of marriage stated living as a lodger at 17 Burgess Street 9 near manchester cemetery on rochdale Road

1871 England Census
about John Howard
Name: John Howard
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Morton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:17 Burgess Streeet

Occupation:bricklayer

Condition as to marriage:not given

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George ED23

Household schedule number: 108
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Hilton 10
Esther Hilton 4
Henry Hilton 17
John Hilton 46
John Hilton 15
Mary Hilton 42
Mary Emma Hilton 7
William Hilton 2 months
John Howard 38 b. moston, bricklayer, lodger



1881 England Census
about John Howard

Civil parish: Harpurhey
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 7 Anglesey Ave
Condition as to marriage: Married


Employment status:Bricklayer
Registration district: Prestwich Sub-registration district: Blackley ED: 5

Household Members: Name Age

Absolom Howard 14 B.Liverpool 1867 Occ Twine Twister
Albert Howard 11 B. Liverpool 1870 Scholar
Anne Howard 38 b.Staffs 1843
Etty Howard 5 b.1876 Barnes Green Manchester
Frances Howard 3 b.1878 Barnes Green Manchester
John Howard 48 b.1833 Moston Lancashire Bricklayer
Parminas Howard 8 b.1873 Barnes Green Manchester


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